From ahuja at umich.edu  Tue Jul 17 14:30:58 2001
From: ahuja at umich.edu (abha ahuja)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:30:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: call for agenda items - London IETF
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0107171030050.4465-100000@galaga.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>


Hey All...

Please send agenda topics to me for the ptomaine meeting in london...

Thanks...

=abha ;)

++++++++++++++++++
abha ahuja
<ahuja at umich.edu>



From ahuja at umich.edu  Mon Jul 23 15:03:39 2001
From: ahuja at umich.edu (abha ahuja)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:03:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: possible charter
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0107231059170.5843-100000@choplifter.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>


Hey All!

Here is a draft of a possible charter for our group.
Comments/changes/feedback, etc, needed.

The list of references at the bottom is very incomplete.  I'd appreciate
pointers from you folk of papers/links that should be included.

-abha ;)

Prefix Taxonomy Ongoing Measurement & Inter Network Experiment (ptomaine)

Chair(s):
Abha Ahuja <ahuja at wibh.net>

Operations Area Director(s):

Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>
Bert Wijnen <bwijnen at lucent.com>

Operations and Management Area Advisor:

Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>

Mailing Lists:

General Discussion: ptomaine at shrubbery.net
To Subscribe: majordomo at shrubbery.net
In Body: subscribe ptomaine
Archive: Available via majordomo (majordomo at shrubbery.net, in body: index
ptomaine)


DESCRIPTION:

Routing table growth has been an issue of much concern.  Many have talked
about temporary methods to alleviate the drain on Internet resources.  In the
vein of these discussions, we started to consider aggregation and filtering
techniques to reduce the amount of routing information carried by routers with
global knowledge.

The purpose of the Prefix Taxonomy Ongoing Measurement & Inter Network
Experiment WG is to consider and measure the problem of routing table growth
and possible interim methods for reducing the impact of routing table resource
consumption within a network.  The WG aims to develop suggestions for
filtering and aggregating prefixes to reduce an individual networks routing
table size and possible knobs with the least loss of reachability.


GOALS:

1) To provide a clear definition of the problems facing Internet
   Routing Scaling today.
2) To provide a taxonomy to describe prefix information for peer review.
3) To collate measurements of routing table scaling data and publish a
   reference list.
4) To discuss and document methods of filtering/aggregating prefix
   information and to discuss and document what support from protocols or
   vendor knobs might be helpful in doing this.
5) To determine the long and short term effects of filtering/aggregating
   prefixes to reduce router resource consumption.
6) To develop methods of controlling policy information propagation in
   order to limit the need for propagation of prefix sub-aggregates.

MILESTONES:

Nov 01 - Submit Taxonomy Draft
Dec 01 - Submit Problem Statement Draft
Jan 02 - Submit References Draft
Feb 02 - Submit Policy Propagation Draft

Some Relevant References:

http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html
http://www.telstra.net/ops/bgp/index.html
http://www.apnic.net/stats/bgp
http://www.merit.edu/ipma



From ahuja at umich.edu  Tue Jul 24 18:35:58 2001
From: ahuja at umich.edu (abha ahuja)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:35:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: possible charter
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0107241435240.19063-100000@stargate.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>


added a few clarifications and suggestions...

Prefix Taxonomy Ongoing Measurement & Inter Network Experiment (ptomaine)

Chair(s):
Abha Ahuja <ahuja at wibh.net>

Operations Area Director(s):

Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>
Bert Wijnen <bwijnen at lucent.com>

Operations and Management Area Advisor:

Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>

Mailing Lists:

General Discussion: ptomaine at shrubbery.net
To Subscribe: majordomo at shrubbery.net
In Body: subscribe ptomaine
Archive: Available via majordomo (majordomo at shrubbery.net, in body: index
ptomaine)


DESCRIPTION:

Routing table growth has been an issue of much concern.  Many have talked
about temporary methods to alleviate the drain on Internet resources.  In the
vein of these discussions, we started to consider aggregation and filtering
techniques to reduce the amount of routing information carried by routers with
global knowledge.

The purpose of the Prefix Taxonomy Ongoing Measurement & Inter Network
Experiment WG is to consider and measure the problem of routing table
growth and possible interim methods for reducing the impact of routing
table resource consumption within a network.  The WG aims to develop
suggestions for filtering and aggregating prefixes to reduce an
individual networks routing table size and route processing load and
possible knobs with the least loss of reachability.


GOALS:

1) To provide a clear definition of the problems facing Internet
   Routing Scaling today.  This includes routing table size and route
   processing load.
2) To provide a taxonomy to describe prefix information for peer review.
3) To collate measurements of routing table scaling data and publish a
   reference list.
4) To discuss and document methods of filtering/aggregating prefix
   information and to discuss and document what support from protocols or
   vendor knobs or policy guidelines for allocations to RIRs might be
   helpful in doing this.
5) To determine the long and short term effects of filtering/aggregating
   prefixes to reduce router resource consumption.
6) To develop methods of controlling policy information propagation in
   order to limit the need for propagation of prefix sub-aggregates.

MILESTONES:

Nov 01 - Submit Taxonomy Draft
Dec 01 - Submit Problem Statement Draft
Jan 02 - Submit References Draft
Feb 02 - Submit Policy Propagation Draft

Some Relevant References:

http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html
http://www.telstra.net/ops/bgp/index.html
http://www.apnic.net/stats/bgp
http://www.merit.edu/ipma


=abha ;)

++++++++++++++++++
abha ahuja
<ahuja at umich.edu>



From ahuja at umich.edu  Thu Jul 26 17:20:37 2001
From: ahuja at umich.edu (abha ahuja)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:20:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Agenda
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0107261320090.5324-100000@frogger.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>


Anything else?

AGENDA:

-Intro and Agenda Bashing (5 min)
-Review of potential charter (5 min)
-Taxonomy draft - Abha (5 min)
-Analysis of RIPE RIS BGP Data - Cengiz (20 min)
-Measuring Routing Table Growth - Randy (20 min)


=abha ;)

++++++++++++++++++
abha ahuja
<ahuja at umich.edu>



From ahuja at umich.edu  Mon Jul 30 16:03:05 2001
From: ahuja at umich.edu (abha ahuja)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:03:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: another agenda...
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.33.0107301202440.7971-100000@qix.gpcc.itd.umich.edu>


Comments?  Additions?

AGENDA:

-Intro and Agenda Bashing (5 min)
-Taxonomy draft - Abha (5 min)
-Analysis of RIPE RIS BGP Data - Cengiz Alaettinoglu (30 min)
-Measuring Routing Table Growth - Randy Bush (20 min)
-Review of potential charter (15 min)